And its funny!
A criminal get his come upins!
And its funny!
Niteflirt bad customers who abuse flirts should be reported and flirts pre-block them on your account.
And its funny!
The following post describes many aspects of those callers’ who eventually come around to all of us. Unfortunately, many people (females) are involved with/in abusive relationships. Read on to get some valuable information and how to recognize abuse on and off the phone.
Gaslighting-Someone tries to make you believe something that you KNOW isn’t true.
Raging-An extreme over-reaction to a simple question or boundary, an unnatural response.
Defensive-Refusing to accept criticism or correction without anger or blaming you.
Aggressive-Making demands that go beyond the norm or pushing your obvious boundaries.
Delusional-Believing that something is true even with proof that it isn’t. A fixed belief.
Toxicity-A combination of those above in and out of conversations/relationships.
Over-reactive-Undue emotions to a simple request or suggestion or comment.
The next time you find yourself in a difficult call with someone suffering from mental instability or a personality disorder…recognizing the signs can keep you from being abused or allowing someone with these disorders into your phone sex life or worse, your head.
We are humans and as such we have to deal with other humans. That is not always easy. Learning how to see the signs of a mental disorder (in REAL life or on the phone) is essential to keeping yourself healthy and making good money with good customers/while hanging up and taking the loss from bad ones.
DARVO-This is an acronym for the following signs and actions by someone who is a narcissist or just a gaslighter. You don’t have to be a narcissist to gaslight someone.
DARVO (an acronym for “deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender“) is a reaction that perpetrators of wrongdoing, particularly sexual offenders, may display in response to being held accountable for their behavior. Some researchers indicate that it is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers.
Many phone sex operators who have been in the business for a long time have earned an honorary PhD after dealing with so many sick individuals. Most of our callers are fabulous and we love them dearly. Some are just your average guy, and we love them too. But, once in a while you will get a call from the nutty buddies who use phone sex as a substitute or replacement for all of the personal relationships they have ruined.
REFUSING TO BE ABUSED, GASLIT OR SHAMED or HAVING YOUR HEAD FUCKED WITH OR GETTING PULLED INTO A PSYCHO’S WORLD IS ESSENTIAL TO BEING STRONG AND SUCCESSFUL
Too many new phone sex operators think that they have to put up with abusive or difficult callers because they 1. feel since he’s paying he gets to run the call 2. Afraid of bad feedback.
You owe him NOTHING. When a difficult, insecure, immature and sick prick causes you to feel confusion, anger, shame or you simply get that tightness in your chest that’s telling you, ‘something’s wrong here’..hang up. If he leaves you bad feedback it will say more about him than you. His appalling feedback will show who he is, not you.
When you stand up to or put your foot down or set boundaries with someone who is a gaslighter or a gaslighting narcissist you will usually get a strong response.
eg: flirt clicks on one of my buttons, and I follow-up. “Hey, you clicked and then blocked me? What’s up with that, is there something you wanted”?
I always follow-up with leads since I’m selling something. If the response is (which I got) over-reaction, blame, gaslighting (‘she knew I would reach out”) um, yes I’m selling a product, “then blames shames and accused me, of ‘being mad’ which I wasn’t and then victimized me by her pseudo intellectual diatribe, using the word’ ergo…just to show me (as gaslighter’s do) that although she is to blame, she is smarter than me. THAT IS DARVO.
When you light the fire of a someone with personality disorder you will get an UNNATURAL RESPONSE. Generally, they lie. And, they get very angry for nothing.
“My hand must have slipped and I hit a button” I knew you’d do this or get angry so I blocked you” or, the customer says, “It’s your fault I spent this much money and can’t pay by bills, “you told me to call you” when all you did was send out a marketing email, and for no good reason when he does call, he’s angry at hello. This is the sign someone is very ill.
If you get this type of response after setting rules or boundaries to the following:
Set the rules. You have standards. You deserve to be respected. Gaslighters and abusers cannot change and you cannot reason with them. They often have issues that are much bigger than it appears during their psychodrama. Nothing you say will make them see themselves.
Gaslighters lie. It’s nothing more. They will lie about the simplest thing and say ‘you did that’ when in fact, they did it. You deserve to know the facts and that facts are real. You know the truth when it’s there and you can own it. You deserve to make a living without being abused by anyone. But, remember, these people are in essence, weak and insecure.
Don’t lose sight of that. Set a boundary and watch the result. If you do and your narcissist or rage-oholic responds with psychodrama, you will know one thing. They will not change and you cannot win. Just walk away, hang up and block them.
While remaining very calm say, we are ending this call now. No matter how he yells, begs, screams, promises ‘not to do it again, or I’ll stop”. Hang up. End it. Over.
If he calls or writes you again after being blocked, and after changing his screen name or opening a new account, remain calm and DO NOT SAY A WORD after you realize it’s him. Simply hang up, block and report. You cannot win with these fixated and profoundly sick men/women. Just ignore.
Feeding someone with these insecurities, fear, and abandonment issues-or giving ANY fuel to their fire excites them! They need your reaction to feed off of. DO NOT RESPOND TO THEM. When they sense they are out of their league intellectually, they will run and block you. I’ve done that and it’s wonderful. But, it still sits on your mind “why did they/she/he come to me? How did I invite them into my business?
You probably showed up and showed yourself to be proud, respectable, intelligent and successful. Narcissists see themselves in you, but the truth is, they aren’t, cannot be and never will be. It’s like narcissist looking into that water at himself he was transfixed with himself but he drowned.
A real psycho addicted narcissistic person can never be you. They want to be, but fail. When they figure that out, they victim blame, try and shame you, put you down, pretend to know you better than you know yourself and when all else fails, get very very angry!
Just hang up.
Report them to the platform you are on for cyber-stalking or harassment.
You can win only by REFUSING TO ENGAGE. These people do not change.
They are fueled by conflict.
Recognizing the patterns of abusive narcissists is key to putting them where they belong.
Ignored. DO NOT FEED THEIR NEED FOR CONFLICT!
The flirt I mentioned above has a politically charged listing just for that reason. She is inviting conflict engagement. Her livelihood and her personality are fueled by psycho drama and it attracts others with the same personality disorder.
Without a false sense of superiority and wallering in delusions of grandeur (thinking that arguing is ‘winning’) and that they/she is smarter than everyone around her, she if left with her quiet mind, which means she is unnoticed and lonely. There is no one to fuel her/their false sense of superiority.
LEAVE THOSE CUSTOMERS TO HER OR OTHER’S LIKE HER and do not respond to them, do not fuel them and know that you will make more money on a decent, kind and imaginative person on the next call.
DO NOT ENGAGE THEM. After all, watch the Capital Riots and the traitor who caused it. THAT IS THE RAGE displayed by an infantile, insecure narcissist. Then he reverses victim/offender and makes himself the victim. We all see it! It’s right there on video.
This is the essential DARVO relationship. He is sick and no one can convince him otherwise.
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Hi everyone, are you aware that NF changed its timeline for customers to leave you feedback?
It is now only 7 days. The former policy was 30 days.
Now, if you had a great call and follow-up with your caller to remind him to leave some beautiful feedback and those five stars-he needs to get on it! So, it works for you, but against you if he doesn’t get on it right away.
This new timeline is also beneficial if you had a bad caller. Now, you can just ignore any further contact before blocking the guy and if he keeps his head straight for 7 days, you can avoid that bad feedback.
But you want the good reviews, especially if you’re new to the site. So, always follow-up with him.
It is just a fact that, once a man comes, he usually forgets what or who helped him get there. Sad but true. You have a week to remind him, hopefully without bugging him to do so.
The best option is to remind him before the call ends to ‘leave me some awesome feedback’ or within a few minutes of the call, write or chat to do so, and he’s likely to give you great fresh feedback.
Hope this helps in running your business!
Recently, I was reminded how few women in phone sex understand that phone sex is in fact, a business. And, as such requires business communication, thought, planning and mind-set. I was also reminded that many do not understand even the basics of marketing. Running your online business, whether it’s phone sex or some other business requires more than ‘feelings’. It requires business marketing and strategies.
A question was posed to ‘accomplished’ PSO’s about a strange brand-new campaign/flirt’s ad. We all have characters and play roles, but you still need a believable and desirable listing/advertisement. You want to sell something your customers are seeking.
*As I was about to feature one of my listings and PAY NITEFLIRT for clicks, I looked the category I was seeking to feature and saw who was in the running. There was a brand new flirt in position about 14 on Find Women, and about 5 in Women Home Alone/BEFORE I decide where to feature my listings and how much I am going to pay for it I look at WHO I AM COMPETING WITH! As you should too!
This listing advertised she was going to take her customer’s shopping and buy them clothes or anything they wanted at the mall then buy him food at the food court and smile at him while eats; then at some point they would go to the hotel and ‘do the deed’.
*As you may know a brand-new flirt pays very little to bid for placement.
The next step I take is to listen to outgoing greetings. So, I go through the menu. The last thing I am going to do is compete with someone advertising no limits etc… because I guarantee you, her phone will ring and yours won’t.
Her outgoing greeting said, “I like to cook Thai food and I keep my place clean”. Huh?
Now that I’ve had some time to think about this it’s possible this woman is on the autism spectrum because she saw things completely different than the rest of us. And if that’s the case, I hope she’s gone for good because I can see a customer taking advantage of her. For example: Well, if you’re my Sugar Mama, I want a free call or reduce your rate to .20 per min! It makes sense, he would give her sex after she paid for things, right?
It was really the first time in 15 yrs, I’d seen anyone advertising as a Sugar Mama for the men who call phone sex lines. I had a brain fart and needed to see if my collegues who were ‘accomplished’ could see something I didn’t?
The responses received by these ‘accomplished‘ PSO’s made think, I am dealing with ‘feelings’ here and not business. The question was posed from a marketing perspective not a judgment.
e.g., “Does this make sense to you” or, have you ever heard a woman offering to buy things for men whom you are charging for communication? The responses were rather petty and fraught with ‘feelings’ and judgment, but no one saw it as a business and marketing question.
Without a marketing plan that includes strategic marketing techniques, product, price, place and promotion, you aren’t running a business, you’re engaged in a hobby.
Learning the four basic principles of marketing can help elevate your online presence. Ignoring it, and not understand the competition or your audience means you’re missing out on key elements of marketing.
PRODUCT – Character
PRICE – In line with your competition and
service and expertise
PLACE – Where you sit in comparison to your competition
PROMOTION – How you feature, where and what other services you employ
PRODUCT: Are you offering a product that is in demand?
PRICE: Are you competitive and if not does your product offer a higher value?
PLACE: DO YOU PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR PLACEMENT? It is after all, one of the basic and MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF MARKETING. Who are competing with?
PROMOTION: When and where you promote your online business is essential to reaching your audience.
Looking at your competition and understanding them is an ESSENTIAL activity that all businesses use.
WALMART WATCHES TARGET
KROGER WATCHES ALBERTSONS
And airlines all watch each other!
IT IS NOT TROLLING to watch your competition and set yourself and your promotion. place. product and price accordingly.
If a prositute is getting paid, is it OK if she is abused? Is it OK to abuse an animal if you ‘paid for it’?
If you hire an attorney is it OK to abuse him/her? If you are paying a Doctor is it OK to abuse her?
Some people were born doormats. Many women are socialized and conditioned at home to ‘please’.
Fortunately, I was not one of those. I believe we all have FREE WILL and just like the steward on the plane says, “put your mask on first, before you assist others”. If you don’t defend yourself, set boundaries and have a strong sense-of-self and set those rules and have expectations of the way you want to be treated, you are allowing others to take advantage of you.
Men are responsible for over 90% of the violence in the world and as sex workers-we have an authority to stay the violence, the disrespect, the ‘demeaning’ of ourselves and women. We have the power!
Just because you offer a service and some man is paying for it DOES NOT GIVE HIM THE RIGHT TO PUT YOU ON THE DEFENSIVE by blurting out personal questions while ignoring you, ABUSE YOU VERBALLY, DEGRADE YOU, DEMAND INFORMATION ABOUT YOU, ABUSE THE NATURE OF ‘ENTERTAINMENT’ AND PHONE SEX OR CAM WORK or DO ANYTHING ‘just because he paying you”.
That mindset is why so many women stay in abusive relationships and continue to be abused by low lifes who otherwise needed to be put in his place.
It is the women who have self-esteem and pride who are responsible for making men understand that rules of personal space, privacy, and self-worth if not taught at home will be taught by strong women with the self-worth to do so.
EACH AND EVERY SEX WORKER (PHONE SEX OPERATOR) has her/his own set of standards.
Mine are high. Some girls actually advertise “rape me”.
I do not allow any customer to blurt out personal questions at me and demand information not presented in my advertisement. I also do not allow men to ‘top me’ or ignore my requests for basic manners.
I am a FemDom and as such will not participate with such misogyny.
If you do, that’s your call-but WE DO NOT OWE ANYONE WHO DEMANDS PERSONAL INFORMATION ABOUT AGE, LOCATION, MARITAL STATUS, ‘REAL LIFE’ PERSONA V. PHONE SEX PERSONA INFORMATION ‘because he’s paying’. THESE ARE NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES!
With that justification, you perpetuate the abuse women suffer each and every day in real life by these entitled weak men who feel justified to beat and verbally and emotionally abuse women, because he pays the bills.
Hello, hope everyone is making lots of money!
I have seen many reports on this site and wanted to speak a moment about what abuse is and isn’t. NiteFlirt as with any adult business is filled with jerks, con-artists (yes even women) drug addicts and drunks, the mentally ill, socially inept and socially isolated people. And, that means on both ends of the phone. We certainly have our work cut out for us sometimes…
Reports to NiteFlirt Bad Boys: I honestly cannot report a customer who writes a flirt in an email and says stupid shit. He may have been an asshole when he called but if you aren’t TRAINED IN AND USE WISELY THE NITEFLIRT PLATFORM eg: creating customer lists with notes so that you have journaled your history with each customer when he gets a spam email from you and writes something back abusive, you will have no idea why.
His call or chat may have been a weird interaction that was abusive or a short or you hung up on him or simply put up with the jerk while half listening; but you didn’t block him. When he gets an email from you, he may well remember you and your bad expereince together.
Taking notes on each and every caller is essential in your marketing plan.
Working the NiteFlirt platform is WORK! They don’t make anything easy. ANYTHING.
What makes someone a NITEFLIRT BAD BOY?
As mentioned on the front page, abuse is calling you names, harrassing you via email or chat after blocking him and verbal abuse you didn’t ask for or advertise for. When emailing customer’s you should spend your time wisely. Many customers complain about (and I’ve seen it too) too many low-quality spam emails from flirts.
Sending mass mails to customers:
It literally takes about 5 to 6 clicks just to send a custom email with font color, font face and size. And, forget about doing that over and over again! You will have to redo every single customization you did in one email to all of them!! UGH!
But, be clear 1.what you’re selling 2. How much it is, and 3.What the content contains.
If you spend a good amount of time customizing your emails to customers, you shouldn’t receive abusive emails back. In fact, I’ve recently seen a flirt state in her spam/sale content emails:
NOTE: IF YOU NO LONGER WISH TO RECEIVE EMAILS FROM ME, WRITE BACK WITH NO MORE EMAILS and I’ll remove you from the list.
So, it is NOT ABUSE if you get a personalized email from a customer whom you spammed.
SPAM DEF: irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the internet to a large number of recipients.
Also, it’s not abusive nor does it make him a NF Bad Boy since it was kept between the two of you.
I want to see the abuse.
I have read on many flirt’s listings where guys will call her just to ‘see if the bad back feedback was warranted”. They will actually comment on existing bad feedback, “don’t know what the bad reviews are about she was great”. That means the bad feedback was the reason he called.
So, LET’S not over-react to it. EVERYONE GETS BAD FEEDBACKS. Everyone.
Why would a customer call someone with bad feedback? Frankly, sometimes men just like to see if they are different and can get a good call from someone who has failed with others. There is one flirt who continually features with about %35 bad and I mean horrible feedback and men still seem to call her. NOT MANY MIND YOU, but still. Why is that? Competitiveness and curiosity. Men like to compete with each other.
Combating those feedbacks that keep you from featuring and making good money.
So, what do you do when you’re new to NiteFlirt Phone Sex or Cam Calls and you only have 4 feedbacks and one of them is 1 star? That gives you a 4 star total. Let’s say you have only taken 5 calls and you have just 16 points. It is going to cost you MORE to feature your listings with that 4 stars.
The answer is that when you’re new and have so few ratings points, DELETE THAT LISTING and start a new one in the same category! It will cost you less to feature when it gets approved and you can begin again. This empowers YOU. Learning how to handle yourself when you’re new can be hard!
Going forward (training available) you get a leg up by getting training and a listing design that works.
Now what to do to avoid bad feedbacks.
Some customers are notorious for not reading properly and being braindead when they are aroused but if you set your customer’s expectations correctly with a well-written NITEFLIRT LISTING then you can count on a better return.
I can help and so can other flirts’ if you ask nicely in the forums.
Not everyone knows marketing and knows this audience but a little tweak of your copy may make all the difference!
Pedo’s, Pee and Poo, Violence, Rape, and so many more gross topics.
There are some customers who come to you because of what you’ve written on your listing and they think you will be cool with them being pedos. If your listings show a young girl with a lollipop in her mouth don’t be surprised when someone wants to be your Daddy. If that’s not what you’re into your NITEFLIRT listing needs to changed. They need to be told in clear language what you will or won’t put up with.
HOW TO HANDLE NITEFLIRT POLICY BREAKERS
*There are NiteFlirt customers who will talk with you for a long time hoping that in the end once they’ve spent $100 on you that they can ‘go there’ with you. He is the sneaky one who gains your trust and thinks money will make you lose your morals. But, he’s spending good money right? So, we want to keep him on the phone or chat and get those tips, but how do you tell him after an hour, “Sorry, that’s gonna work for me?
Don’t let him think you’re a pushover in the first place! But, there are better way to handle this guy without saying “that’s against the rules”. When TTM and every other phone sex service allows ageplay and more, it’s hard to hear that after you’ve spent $100 on a PSO.
HOW DO WE STOP THEM FROM GOING THERE WITHOUT LOSING THEM AS CUSTOMERS?
They get told ‘what you’re saying is wrong and against the rules and to stop! That ends your income too!
WE HAVE TO FIND BETTER WAYS TO HANDLE THIS! LET’S GIVE EACH OTHER SOME ADVICE.
We/I know that stopping him in his tracks with “That’s against the rules” is pissing guys off and that’s ending with bad feedbacks or abuse. There are many ways to handle this without throwing up a brick wall. I have many ideas but use most of them for my NiteFlirt training sessions. Here’s one though.
Scenario 1. Ok, so customer stays on the call for a long time and at minute 61 starts talking about minors.
Flirt: “USE HIS NAME..OR say in an even tone with your sexy vide…NO, NO, NO, (insert kind euphemism here, hon, sweety etc…) we’re not going to go there…everyone we talk about will be 18 or over, ok? “You can think anything you want, but all of our fantasy players are at least 18, ok?” Normally, he’ll be OK with it. You aren’t saying NO stop it, stop being turned on, follow the rules, you’re just saying, “I’m not cool with that…but let’s keep going.
Any more ideas? Write them in the post and I’ll put them here!
Oct 23, 2021 I noticed a new ‘call center’ listing on NiteFlirt that has an older woman, probably about 50 yo, who has been told to play an 18 yr old. The listing headline is “Dirt Cheap Slut”.
This call center does not care about the customer’s experience on NiteFlirt. The ol’ bait n switch is the oldest scam in business. The poor woman hired to work for this shitty service was given a script to read for her outgoing greeting (which is terrible) and the call center is charging .99 a min and BIDDING FOR her to be on the front page. I realize stock boys need to afford someone to call, but this is bad business
While I am not fan of .99 cent premium sexual services nor am I a fan of these unapproved call centers on NiteFlirt; the poor woman answering the phone is probably earning .20 per min.
This also could be another Stacey Weiss call center or one run by a flirt with no prior approval by NiteFlirt.
THIS HURTS ALL OF US. They should (when you can) be OUT BID and shoved off the front page. It’s an obvious “I couldn’t care less about the quality on NiteFlirt” person who runs this call center and the following feedback is a perfect example of why.
“No way that is the girl in the pics. Voice was way off. Getting tired of falling for these kind of profiles. Great site but they need to start verifying some of these girls”
This is excellent feedback written by a customer who understands the game. He should be rewarded for this feedback! It is considerate, plain and involves a compliment to NiteFlirt. He also warns other customers beforehand not to expect a perky newbie barely legal girl in which to play with.
So, there is one report that I did not post or approve because in my 15 yrs on NiteFlirt I’d never run across the offender. The flirt who reported him just said, “more bad feedbacks and abuse than I can count” but I cannot go on that alone.
So, expose those bad reviewers who insult, call us cunts, bitches, losers and so much else when it’s just not necessary!
MAKE A SNIPPET OF HIS FEEDBACKS AND THEN UPLOAD THEM TO YOUR FILE MANANGER.
ONCE YOU DO THAT, COME TO THE NEW NITEFLIRT BLACKLIST, NFBADBOYS.COM AND UPLOAD YOUR REPORT ALONG WITH CODE FROM NITEFLIRT SHOWING HIS INAPPROPRIATE FEEDBACKS.
THAT’S ALL YOU NEED TO DO!